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is a round object solids object is a

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creamy white wasn't it then it was so at

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the underside you sort of got like a bit

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cut out and then just a sort of a tiny

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thing sticking out to the end of it and

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uh

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and because he had this light

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came from it and that was very brass I

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thought well that's no helicopter or

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play you know I thought it's a UFO I'm

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just saying looking at and thought

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you know it's just amazing what we've

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seen just barely sick as you seem to be

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honest and then next week we sort of

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just a speed of light went back up into

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well I've known Carol and Helen ever

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since I've been here that's nearly 11

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years and I've never known to be late at

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all never

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purple

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well we walked up to work and we always

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arrived to the security guard and we

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always check to see

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when they arrived I have to log them in

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on my duty anybody that comes in in fact

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and they were over an hour late

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when I logged them in so I noticed the

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time specifically like all right and

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when we looked that morning there was no

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clock on that wall none at all not at

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well this clock that's behind me it's a

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master clock for all the factory it's

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been here for donkeys years even before

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I started work and they swore this clock

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just wasn't there when they arrived

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well we came home in the morning I just

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got up to myself

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they're coming those visibly shocked

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about something and that's what was the

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matter

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and I reckon had seen something they

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couldn't quite explain what I said they

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just seen that shot since expander

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saying something can it was in fact

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obviously saying they're just something

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in the sky and then they like said

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it was a UFO and they also had a periods

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of a globe and they've seen

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it around all the parts of the body that

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wasn't covered was just like a very

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slight sunburn yeah when we come into

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the ice we're so excited telling

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everybody all about it and that's when I

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sort of thought fingers look sort of red

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and as the day wore on they sort of got

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sort of a and they sort of like the old

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coating from there to there the neck had

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been and the hair is just sort of really

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tacky and you know sort of like I've got

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lots of lacquerade background it just

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felt yeah really sort of very funny and

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I couldn't I couldn't remember my

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fingers through it was sort of all

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bitter and then you say about your

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jackets well I know set me jacket was

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wet and ready sticker it's the jacket I

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had off

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and it was all across

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the back part and the shoulder sorted

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off as if it had been melted not melting

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it was very sticky and like on the arms

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and yet that morning it wasn't lying at

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all it's just very clear morning

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so I said my sister and my motherboard

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try drawing what you're saying I tried

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drawing a separate room and see what

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happens if both didn't come back exactly

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the same thing the same thing that was

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about the most tiny thing this is what

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we saw it's sort of a round object

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the spareship what we're seeing the

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sauce a lot round sort of going flat

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more or less to the top of it with this

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sort of thing just you know it's sort of

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like a bit missing

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and then there's a beam of Light which

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come all the way down a torch Shining

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we sort of held each other in this beam

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of light are we standing here and my mum

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was on the other side of me there and we

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sort of powered each other back into the

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they know something very very strange it

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happened to them going to work but uh it

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was something I couldn't account for and

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of course it went into the back of their

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minds until one day they actually saw a

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newspaper article which referred to the

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alien abduction phenomenon and they

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found that the things written in this

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newspaper almost identical to what had

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occurred with them

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as a result of this they contacted me

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and told me what it had occurred what

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they remembered and I interviewed them

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at length on this and I was fairly happy

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in your mind by what they told me things

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they couldn't possibly have known that

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there seemed to be an alien abduction

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involved we was really nervous in fact

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it was really frightened I was doing

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this regression we we as many strange

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stories and when I felt so emotional to

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think

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he going up and then

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I was sort of in this spacecraft and

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it's it's just I couldn't believe myself

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a small

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regression is is a form of hypnosis

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where you go back in time so that an

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individual has had an experience in the

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past week so maybe have forgotten for

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whatever reason you take them back to

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the time and regressive hypnosis can

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actually bring back the memories of the

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tell me about the room

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it's white it's it's so white it's like

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it's round

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I can see Helen she's on a board

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it's shaped like a table like a school

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table

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there's something on the ceiling it

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looks like operating something which

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will come down

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my eyes they're looking into my eyes

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it feels like a burning sensation in my

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they look like gray people I think more

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white than there was gray like in the

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big almond eyes very big

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um you cannot see a nose but you know a

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nose was there and imagine sometimes the

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mouth is not there you know the times

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you knew this sort of a line in fact

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sometimes you can see like a only tiny

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red line there

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he's touching my face

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looking at my heart

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what basically is happening is people

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are being examined medically there have

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been toenails removed they're having

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hair removed they're having skin samples

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removed

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I think what impressed me most about

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this case is the fact that when they

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were under hypnosis at separate times

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the stories the graphic descriptions the

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things that were done to them were

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absolutely identical what they did to

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your skin feels wet he's put his hand on

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my face

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my thighs feels wet

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I'm in a dark room now

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I've got more clothes on

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I'm happy I saw that UFO in the morning

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instead of seeing that this is so

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fantastic but I thought of being

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abductive in a way I wish he'd hand that

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and know she wasn't us because people

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tend to think yeah she's you know mad or

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some people do I think we might referred

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people you know you're in say but we

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know we're not man we both was together

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that day and we know what we saw

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I was in the bathroom at 5 35 a.m I

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looked out the window which was only

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half open and saw a brilliant blue white

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light

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I sat on the edge of the bed waiting for

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could it have been a Searchlight from a

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helicopter maybe quite a way up and we

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are on the flight path here no

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definitely because there's no noise and

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we readily hear helicopters and they're

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very noisy there's just no noise

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whatsoever we have a quite a lot of

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place helicopters around here searching

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for

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simply because it was too there was no

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noise there's too bright as well there

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was no noise and it would just looked

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like the moon I'd never seen an

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helicopter shark just the moon before so

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exactly where did the light come from

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completely above I think it's higher

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than the flat and it just comes straight

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down from from above onto above

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with some of the physical effects the

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burns and the headaches and the

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nosebleeds I wonder whether just the

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stress of seeing the light could have

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brought some of those on do you think

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they were just stress related I don't I

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don't think so because we weren't

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stressed about it because we thought so

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Mars what we had saw

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this is so look what we saw it we've

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actually saw a UFO and I mean we didn't

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even think of anything has been took

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away or anything we just thought we just

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saw this bright light and then we went

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this is where Helen and Carol work when

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they arrived they said they couldn't see

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the clock on the wall and had lost an

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I think the earlier experience in the

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alleyway had left them confused and

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dazed one of the impressive aspects of

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the case is that under aggression you

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both came out very similar stories do

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you think that maybe you discussed the

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case together before you regressed or

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you'd read the same books or read the

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same articles and that's why your

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stories were so similar no no because we

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didn't think we've gone before we was

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going to be um regressed with like both

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very fast and about being regressed and

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we didn't know what sorts of things you

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would probably see in the Spy ship or

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anything like

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you know so we wouldn't know what to

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talk about together about saying what

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tests I'd done or anything because we

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didn't know you know anything really

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about abduction saying we've read a lot

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about UFOs but not abduction cases for

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sweet thoughts because we were at the

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hour we had a rustling saying before

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this bright light come so we thought we

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was going to be regressed I think that

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was sourcing again the alleyway what we

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shouldn't have saw so we thought was

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well wonder what we did see it was it

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going to be a green manner or something

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really frightening will it frighten us

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so the spaceship for his mouth was I

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didn't even think about we didn't think

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that would have been took up there no

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now some people think that um hypnosis

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is a way of finding out true facts other

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people think that it gives people a sort

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of license just to fantasize and make

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things up didn't it feel when you're

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saying these things like a real memory

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or did it feel like you you might have

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been making them up no I felt quite

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emotionally when you sort of looking

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around the room and then you see like a

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a sort of a gray Bean come to you sort

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of felt quite emotional it is sort of

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which like a bit of a shock but yet sort

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of a won't switch frightened just

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emotional and to think like that I'd

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happen to you Dad them sort of tests

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done on you that was sort of like

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frightening

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to think that I could just take in sort

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of do things like that Anya without you

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having you know asking you first

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and it is quite a sort of fantastic

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um sort of account in in many ways do

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you really believe that this really did

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happen and that you were abducted by

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aliens aboard a spaceship well I don't

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think I'd want to make a story about

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that because I wouldn't I mean I feel

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silly is enough about saying it so I

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don't think I would have said I would

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have said nothing has happened because I

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would want to look stupid

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I think sometimes though you feel a bit

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sort of uh oh is it true or you know

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under hypnosis it is happening to him

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but I think you you sort of thing like

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that because you're thrown out what

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people might say when you do tell him

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I've seen an idea and they might think

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oh she's a bit mad I think that puts you

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off with you you believe in it fully